Matt Ridley is a science writer and member of the House of Lords, and Alina Chan is a scientist and molecular biologist. They are the authors of the new book “Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19.” They join the show to discuss the genesis of the pandemic, Chinese obfuscation, and how transparency is needed to forestall future plagues.

The Political Orphanage
Politics minus bile plus jokes. Avowed independent and comedian Andrew Heaton interviews authors and thought leaders about policy and big thinky stuff. A refuge from Red Team vs. Blue Team slapfights.
Politics minus bile plus jokes. Avowed independent and comedian Andrew Heaton interviews authors and thought leaders about policy and big thinky stuff. A refuge from Red Team vs. Blue Team slapfights. Listen on
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