Rutger Bregman: How Pessimism Screws Up Society

The selfish, violent nature of human beings underlies myriad novels and television shows, and it's backed up by countless psychological studies. . . Most of which turn out be bunk.

Rutger Bregman is the author of "Humankind: A Hopeful History" which refutes the central premise of Hobbes, Lord of the Flies, and countless pessimistic legislative agendas--that human beings are evil when the lights turn off. He joins Heaton to discuss the evidence that the vast amount of individuals are peaceful and cooperative, and we should design society around that, instead of fringe sociopaths.